Another one on plume kits

[kasser]

Vaillant 838 to be fitted. Flue will end up on boundary line. Can a plume kit be fitted as solution?

I've been told yes but I don't see how a plume kit suddenly makes the short distance ok. The plume will still discharge over the boundary line.

I can direct the plume away from the boundary but I think 45deg is the max, certainly not 90 Deg?

There's currently no plume nuisance since there's no building nearby or path. It's just the 600 mm to boundary is more like 0 mm!

I did not do this btw.

 

[Riley]

I would say shouldn’t be going there myself

 

[kasser]

I would have proposed a vertical flue myself or stick the boiler somewhere else but the hole has already been drilled. It would be easier if I could just stick a plume kit to it.
Apparently a couple of GSR said it's fine and did not even mention a plume kit.

 

[Riley]

I think it’s flippant just to say there’s nothing there so it’s ok. Is it just wasteland???

 

[kasser]

I think it’s flippant just to say there’s nothing there so it’s ok. Is it just wasteland???

It's the neighbour's garden! I didn't say there's nothing.

 

[Riley]

I didn’t mean you I meant the other guys. If it’s the neighbours garden then no

 

[Aire]

Fact is, there could be something there in the future. We've just had this on another thread. If the neighbour decides to build on the land, they have the right to ask the flue to be moved as it shouldn't be there. 600mm away from the boundary isn't just to prevent a nuisance.

 

[kasser]

I guess even if they don't build anything, it's still within their right to ask for the flue not to discharge right on their land.
But the question is, is fitting a plume kit a solution to this?

 

[Aire]

Your neighbours boundary line isn't just at ground level so I doubt a plume kit will work in this situation.

 

[Riley]

The boundary is an imaginary line All the way up.

 

[Burger]

I guess even if they don't build anything, it's still within their right to ask for the flue not to discharge right on their land.
But the question is, is fitting a plume kit a solution to this?

There is a mention in a TB I think it states a plume kit should not be used to circumvent the requirements unless it’s ok with the manufacturer. Hole can be patched easily, once the boiler is there a bit more difficult to relocate if asked to move.

IMO - I wouldn’t use one, especially if someone gets gas safe involved (neighbours perhaps), they do an inspection, might want to know who installed against MI’s?

 

[kasser]

Is it a gas safety issue though? More like building regs?
I would never have installed it here myself but just want to explore all options here before ruling it out.

 

[Riley]

It’s not installing to MIs and most of the time that supersedes building regs anyway

 

[Burger]

At the moment it’s not a gas safety issue, unless the POC or air intake is affected, which could present a problem if the neighbours decide bit to cut those trees and let them grow. It would also be a problem if as others have stated if the neighbours decided to build an extension/summer house or anything else habitable.

When I was in college or have re-sat my acs they make great reference to MANUFACTURERS INSTRUCTIONS

 

[Aire]

It can't be done, building regs state and so do the manufactures instruction, that you can not terminate a flue within 600mm of the boundary when the flue outlet is facing the boundary. A plume kit will not solve this in this situation.

 

[kasser]

Thanks guys, we're all in agreement.
What annoyed me was when the customer told me the builder said I could put a plume kit to deflect the plume from the neighbour's garden.
Maybe I can fit a shoddy boiler and this builder will commission it and put his name on it then.

Why do customers listen to builders when it comes to heating and gas? I've seen it here on anothrr thread, builder advising flue is correct so customer is taking no action despite GSR advising otherwise.

This customer hasn't come back to me yet. Maybe the builder really will fit it?

 

[Matt0029]

Think a plume kit let's you go down to 300mm from a boundary as you get the 600mm distance by sending the plume kit at a 45degree angle. But this looks like a lot less than 300mm.